Ladder Competitions

Richard shared this idea 4 years ago
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An option for a Ladder Tournament please, all the elements are already in Joomsport (Knockout matches and a Table), just need to put them together for the option.

Everyone starts in a position in a table, allow anyone up to 3 places below to challenge the person above, play a singles match and if the challenger wins, they swop places.

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Hey Everyone!

Let's get it clear and public. This feature is NOT in our plans. Even if we talk about nearest future. The full development price is ~1000-1500 USD depending on details. But we are ready to develop it based on fixed 420 USD rate. The code will belong to us in that case. We will create new JoomSport add-on and sell it to all customers. If anyone interested in such sponsorship you are welcome to request the details from us.

Dmitry.

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Hi Sebastian,

Is it described here https://feedback.joomsport.com/topic/ladder-competitions something you are looking for?

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In the way. However, a correct calculation should be made here and not just 3 places up or down. Everyone should be able to demand it.

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As described by Sebastian:

I would like an ELO rating system like this: http://online-ladder.de/index.php/en/leagueUser/index/id/4 or as it has the ESL.

Here it should be possible to challenge opponents by pretending the day and time. The opponent must confirm this and then the SPIEL is entered. Both parties must confirm the result, and this should be noted in the table. How the ELO system is calculated I can not say unfortunately directly.

greeting Sebastian

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How many users would have to vote for it to be implemented? That would be the biggest decision for me to buy the script.

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Hi Sebastian,

We don't have any specific rules for votes collecting and further implementation. This is the place where we would like to hear our customer's suggestions and discuss the features. Normally we find some "free time" to implement some features and choose from the ideas listed here. In some cases we don't pay attention to the number of votes, but more - to the idea itself.

On the other hand if customers can provide some sponsorship for the selected feature development we always glad to buy some more time from our developers to release it to public. I will discuss this feature once again with our developer and will let you know the options available to your email.

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I would suggest to go for something similar to TrueSkill (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/trueskill-ranking-system/) instead of ELO. This system quantifies players’ TRUE skill points by the Bayesian inference algorithm. It also works well with any type of match rule including N:N team game or free-for-all. ELO only works for 1 vs 1 matches and takes more matches to have an idea about the skill level.


There already is a PHP implementation available, would be great to bring it over to Joomsport: https://github.com/moserware/PHPSkills

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For Sebastian and anyone else interested in ladders - we found a way to use the the League Table layout as a Ladder within the existing software, using the the manual points option in matches to move players up or down as required, for example:

Player A is on 58 points and ranked 6th

Player B is on 27 points and ranked 10th

Player B challenges Player A and wins.

Manual Points for game = Player A -31 and Player B 31.

It means you can make up whatever rules you want for your ladder regarding points and challenges and record all matches correctly.

Players arrange games by person/text/email and notify the Season admin to set up matches or each player can be a Team Moderator, set up their own games and update with result/points.

Therefore we no longer need this request, not sure if anyone else needs it.

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Have I correctly understood that it is already contained? Or will it be possible in a future version?

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We are able to use the above process within the existing version, so the answer to your question is yes if that process is what you wish to do.

Beardev may (or may not) develop something for Ladders based on feedback in this item, I was only explaining how we found a way round it with the existing version.

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Hey Everyone!

Let's get it clear and public. This feature is NOT in our plans. Even if we talk about nearest future. The full development price is ~1000-1500 USD depending on details. But we are ready to develop it based on fixed 420 USD rate. The code will belong to us in that case. We will create new JoomSport add-on and sell it to all customers. If anyone interested in such sponsorship you are welcome to request the details from us.

Dmitry.

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How would such a partnership look like?

Sebastian

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Hi Sebastian,

There is no place for partnership here. We simply provide extremely discounted price (we call this "sponsorship"). We apply following conditions in such case:

  • We prepare detailed documentation on how the product work
  • After both parties agree on features we develop and deliver new product license to the person who ordered the development
  • We keep the source code ownership and sell this product further to our clients on conditions we prefer

So finally we have a win - win solution: customer has the product they wanted based on very discounted development rate, we have the new product that can be distributed to our clients.

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We also don't mind if customers would like to cooperate. ;) We will provide licenses for each product baker :)

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This can be a group investement? Count me in! +1 :)

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Djie, yes, we don't mind if customers interested can share the cost. We will provide to all bakers the licenses at no doubt. As i have noticed we are also interested and invested by providing maximum discount for this particular idea. What i can promise is that we wouldn't do any profit on this particular idea on development stage and even more invest into development our own money partially...

So far we are fully loaded with Android App, live matches and big features polled stated in feedback. I'm thinking about late november when we can start this particular feature development if we find sufficient sponsorship.

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When the time comes and you go to the development tell me. Then we can see how many are interested in this matter and in how far then cost us to come.

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OK. Np. I'll let you know when we get our main developer free from current roadmap so we can work out this idea. I believe this should happen late December / early January if nothing changes.

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Hello, it's an old topic but i want know if is still possible to cooperate financially for the development. Thanks!

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Roberto, I sent you a message via email. Drop me a line to my personal email. We will discuss it.

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